tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post1401546534326101684..comments2024-03-24T16:22:24.604-08:00Comments on Richard's Page: Debugging the Charging System w/More PicturesRichardMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04773834892715980735noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-56833414346493382082014-01-15T16:00:02.549-09:002014-01-15T16:00:02.549-09:00I have faith ...I have faith ...VStar Ladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634216576989421497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-2319642580417712462014-01-15T14:21:19.688-09:002014-01-15T14:21:19.688-09:00I do have a "heated garage" though the t...I do have a "heated garage" though the temperature inside depends on the temperature outside. But it has been shirtsleeve weather inside for the last couple of days. Hopefully it last through this next weekend. <br /><br />I am doing a bit more disassembly than I need as I want to do one other bi-annual maintenance task while I'm at it. Greasing the input splines on the transmission and checking on the condition of the starter.RichardMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04773834892715980735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-2848210823143247992014-01-15T10:53:19.740-09:002014-01-15T10:53:19.740-09:00Richard, I hope you have a nice well-lit and warm ...Richard, I hope you have a nice well-lit and warm place for the wrenching. You make it sound simple, but it's very impressive. Sounds like your rig is headed to electrical paradise. David Massehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09346419242154545286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-50473238456567259912014-01-15T10:11:41.639-09:002014-01-15T10:11:41.639-09:00There's an assumption there… We'll see if ...There's an assumption there… We'll see if it starts up again.RichardMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04773834892715980735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-5519621344619624282014-01-14T18:23:46.145-09:002014-01-14T18:23:46.145-09:00Only if you know what you are doing Richard!Only if you know what you are doing Richard!VStar Ladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634216576989421497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-6197855772256535442014-01-14T07:59:18.626-09:002014-01-14T07:59:18.626-09:00With the stock Bosch system, as well as with a cou...With the stock Bosch system, as well as with a couple of the aftermarket ones, current is fed to the rotor through the slip rings to magnetize it. The higher the current output the more current sent through the rotor. A byproduct of this current is more heat generated in the rotor. It's easy to see how this heat could cause failure in the rotor windings. The permanent magnet rotor on the Enduralast system eliminates this heat and one of the comments I heard about the Omega aftermarket system was how hot the rotor gets. <br /><br />But this is probably more detail than you want on a charging system. RichardMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04773834892715980735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-23361101453446301292014-01-14T07:52:02.377-09:002014-01-14T07:52:02.377-09:00No real procedure that I followed but just tested ...No real procedure that I followed but just tested things in sequence cutting the system in half then worked my way in. Actual time including disassembly was maybe 30 minutes. I needed to pull the mufflers to get to the transmission spline anyway and now need to remove the air cleaner housing, top cover and starter to pull the diode board and mounting posts. I needed to clean the starter anyway and probably replace the nose bushing. I think the starter has been dragging. Much of this also needed to be removed anyway. RichardMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04773834892715980735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-91328214000912581412014-01-14T07:01:43.328-09:002014-01-14T07:01:43.328-09:00Richard:
You may have a point about your marginal...<b>Richard:</b><br /><br />You may have a point about your marginal charging system having to charge a larger capacity battery and being unable to do this for long periods, which basically, fried it<br /><br />There is this same problem with C4 corvettes where if the battery is not near full charge, will fry the alternator. It happened to me twice, plus I had to buy new batteries every 2 years.<br /><br />Your new system sounds like a great upgrade<br /><br />bob<br /><a href="http://www.wetcoastscootin.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Riding the Wet Coast</a><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05258612401956399482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-15136896959893886622014-01-14T06:07:35.930-09:002014-01-14T06:07:35.930-09:00Thanks for the additional pictures Richard, the pr...Thanks for the additional pictures Richard, the procedure is clearer for me now. Not crystal but clearer. I'm the type who has to actually do it to learn it. :)redlegsrideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10927757855921321097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-11651640943053129212014-01-13T23:14:03.287-09:002014-01-13T23:14:03.287-09:00I don't have my new alternator yet but looking...I don't have my new alternator yet but looking forward to getting the rig back on the road! <br /><br />The shed was too long of a walk through the snow. Didn't go...RichardMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04773834892715980735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-6859557085891102262014-01-13T18:17:27.038-09:002014-01-13T18:17:27.038-09:00All those lonely dark hours in a shed in Barrow wi...All those lonely dark hours in a shed in Barrow with a bear guard finally paid off. I could barely follow the science but I'm glad you're happy with your new wiring. Conchscooterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08016331487463993200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-43306295228078216392014-01-13T18:13:26.354-09:002014-01-13T18:13:26.354-09:00I hear that installation in only a couple of hours...I hear that installation in only a couple of hours. The wait for USPS is probably going to feel like forever. (The website claims delivery by Thursday!)<br /><br />Troubleshooting these kind of problems is pretty straightforward. RichardMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04773834892715980735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-52073653491993012772014-01-13T17:09:43.877-09:002014-01-13T17:09:43.877-09:00Glad you found a solution ... very few parts, the ...Glad you found a solution ... very few parts, the trick is getting them in the right place. Hats off to you!VStar Ladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634216576989421497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-41028691742594335182014-01-13T15:38:31.179-09:002014-01-13T15:38:31.179-09:00I'll add more pictures tonight. I just dug int...I'll add more pictures tonight. I just dug into it after looking at a wiring diagram for the charging system. It's pretty straight forward. BMW wants $459 for a new rotor, after market rotor $79. But because I ride in the winter, one of the optional charging systems seem to make sense. Omega, the original Enduralast or Enduralast II. I opted for the original Enduralast as the others still have the VR and diode board, albeit updated versions. Also the original Enduralast will even charge at idle. The Omega and Enduralast II use better Bosch parts and produce 450 and 400 watts respectively but not until 5k rpm. I'm rarely above 4k rpm.RichardMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04773834892715980735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-30443686246864159422014-01-13T15:13:34.386-09:002014-01-13T15:13:34.386-09:00The Enduralast is a bit pricey but I think you'...The Enduralast is a bit pricey but I think you'll be happy with it RichardM. I plan to go that route when my own airhead's charging system bites the dust. Great writeup on the steps you took, any chance of pictures of each test point? I am not familiar with the setup so was unable to reference it to a visual. Or is there a link to where the diagnostics you followed are accompanied with pics?<br /><br />dom<br />redlegsrideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10927757855921321097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-45826997526214163832014-01-13T10:31:37.696-09:002014-01-13T10:31:37.696-09:00I was plugging in gear but I would always make a p...I was plugging in gear but I would always make a point to turn it off when leaving the highway so it wouldn't run the battery down. Since I put a car battery in the sidecar, I haven't worried too much about it. I have noticed that as the week progresses, the battery voltage slowly drops suggesting that the bike charging wasn't quite able to keep up. <br /><br />At least it is a simple swap (I hear). RichardMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04773834892715980735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-32856461509206746942014-01-13T10:29:00.417-09:002014-01-13T10:29:00.417-09:00I was thinking that I could just continue riding w...I was thinking that I could just continue riding without an alternator and just charge the battery every evening but opted to replace it.<br /><br />Didn't expect a failure without warning like that. Now I know why some opt to carry a spare rotor on long trips. <br /><br />I don't think it would push start very well. Now, if it had a kick starter...RichardMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04773834892715980735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-78984610272463922242014-01-13T10:26:25.269-09:002014-01-13T10:26:25.269-09:00I've been looking at comparisons between the t...I've been looking at comparisons between the two aftermarket systems for a couple of years. The stock system was adequate as long as you rode long enough at higher engine speeds to charge the battery.<br /><br />No new coils as they're not needed.RichardMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04773834892715980735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-91098341054167974092014-01-13T09:57:46.030-09:002014-01-13T09:57:46.030-09:00It seems anything 'fix' related on a bike ...It seems anything 'fix' related on a bike is an expensive proposition. At least though you won't have to be worrying about being dead in the water so to speak and now you will be toasty warm because you can plug in gear. Dar https://www.blogger.com/profile/14690180541358767168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-8707876372246106352014-01-13T08:40:35.462-09:002014-01-13T08:40:35.462-09:00Well, it's always a drag when something breaks...Well, it's always a drag when something breaks, but when you can replace the broken bit with an upgrade you wanted anyway, it all works out.<br /><br />Glad to see you didn't get stranded either. I imagine push-starting your bike is a little tougher than it is with mine. Luckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12481824369632937289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1512448163402185409.post-17161803917044626402014-01-13T07:39:36.826-09:002014-01-13T07:39:36.826-09:00Richard:
Sounds like the perfect solution. Simpl...<b>Richard:</b><br /><br />Sounds like the perfect solution. Simpler is better as long as it works. So sorry for the expensive solution, but perhaps it will be worth it in the end as it solves all your power requirements<br /><br />Plus now you can install a heated gear socket for the Monkey<br /><br />More Watts may also mean more power from your engine at lower speeds, due to better sparking and fuel combustion, perhaps new high performance coils ?<br /><br />bob<br /><a href="http://www.wetcoastscootin.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Riding the Wet Coast</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05258612401956399482noreply@blogger.com